Allah the God of Jesus

 

Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

Recently missionary Sam Shamoun has come out with a supposed response to one of my proofs that Jesus is NOT God.

 

Sometime ago I made a video on Youtube which conclusively proved that Jesus was not God, for all of those who are interested visit the link:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OewuQi0lopY

 

My main argument was that in the Bible Jesus is the called the Heir, which proves he is not God since God is the owner of everything he has, he does not inherit the universe and his creation, hence this proves that Jesus is NOT God.

 

Missionary Sam Shamoun has tried to be smart now, so he writes:

 

What we are going to do here is to quote the Quran to show that Allah is an heir who inherits something. From there we are going to apply Zaatari's (il)logic to his own false scripture and false god to see the hole that he has dug himself in.

 

RESPONSE

Notice very carefully that Shamoun does not say he will refute me, no, rather he says he will also show that Allah inherits things. All this will prove is that both of us are wrong, and that the atheists are right!

No where in Shamoun's entire response does he refute my claim, that Jesus is the Heir, meaning he doesn't own anything, meaning he is not God!

Shamoun knows this is a very big problem; it is also a double problem as he is a Trinitarian. The Trinity teaches a co-equality between the god's, if this is true why is the Father the owner? While Jesus is the inheritor? Obviously this shows there is no equality!

Since Shamoun knew he couldn't deal with this he decided to counter attack, he writes:

Pay close attention to the following Quranic texts:

But as for those who are niggardly with the bounty Allah has given them, let them not suppose it is better for them; nay, it is worse for them; that they were niggardly with they shall have hung about their necks on the Resurrection Day; and to Allah belongs the inheritance of the heavens and earth; and Allah is aware of the things you do. S. 3:180

And certainly We! We it is Who give life, and cause death, and We are THE HEIRS. S. 15:23

Lo! We, only We, inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us they are returned. S. 19:40

Allah is also called the best of those who inherit!

And Zachariah, when he cried unto his Lord: My Lord! Leave me not childless, though Thou art the Best of inheritors. S. 21:89

As if this weren't shocking enough Allah even receives an inheritance from creatures!

Nay, but We shall record that which he saith and prolong for him a span of torment. And We shall inherit from him that whereof he spake, and he will come unto Us, alone (without his wealth and children). S. 19:79-80

And how many a community have We destroyed that was thankless for its means of livelihood! And yonder are their dwellings, which have not been inhabited after them save a little. And We, even We, were the inheritors. S. 28:58

 

RESPONSE

Shamoun thinks he has gotten me in a tight spot, yet sadly for him he once again shows his inability at being able to read properly, or he does know how to read properly but purposely likes to play stupid.

If one were to read the verses that Shamoun has quoted one will notice a similarity between all of them, somehow Shamoun missed that.

Each verse he quotes is referring to when people die, and when the end of world and universe reaches it's time, when everything will perish.

Scroll up and read the verses again, each one is always dealing when a person dies, and when the earth and heavens come to their end.

The Quran time and time teaches that after we die, we return back to God, the verses he even quoted state this fact. So therefore it is in this sense that Allah is called an inheritor, as we all go back return to him. This is exactly why I repeat again, that every verse Shamoun quotes has to do when we die and when the end of the heavens and the earth come to pass. The only exception is when Zachariah spoke to God, yet Zachariah also meant it in this same sense.  

The Quran was revealed in a very beautiful language and style, and this right here is an example of this.

This however is not the case with Jesus, God the Father gives Jesus possessions, Jesus inherits from the Father, hence this shows God the Father is the complete owner of everything since he passes things to Jesus. Hence this proves that Jesus is not equal with God, and it also disproves the Trinity as well! On top of this to make things worst Jesus supposedly inherits us WHILE WERE ALIVE, not after we all die and perish!

Lastly Brother Bassam Zawadi has also already refuted this weak argument of Shamoun while also quoting Tafsir Al Tabari:

(The tafsir of His saying: "and to God belongs the inheritance of the heavens and earth; and God is aware of the things you do" means that Allah All Living and does not die, and He remains after the perishing of all of His creation.

and if one says: so what does His saying mean: "and to Him belongs the inheritance of the heavens and the earth" and "the inheritance", that is known, is the transferring of the property\ownership from the owner to the inheritor, after his death, and to Allah is the dunya (this life) before the perishing of the creation and after it?

It is said (to him): the meaning of that is what we described, His (Allah's) describing of Himself with eternal existence, and His informing of His creation that He has decreed their perishing.

And because the property of the owner becomes inheritance after his death, so Allah said: "to Allah is the inheritance of the heavens and the earth" informing, by that, that the property of all of His creation is transferring to Allah (going back to Him) after their deaths, and that no one but will perish except Him (Allah), for He is the one when perishing all of His creation, and all of their property is removed from them, no one will remain for their property to go to except Him.


and the meaning of the ayah: "But as for those who are niggardly with the bounty God has given them, let them not suppose it is better for them; nay, it is worse for them; that they were niggardly with they shall have hung about their necks on the Resurrection Day; " (3:180), after they perish (the niggard\greedy) and their property is removed from them, in the time that they don't own anything, to Allah becomes its inheritance, and the inheritance of rest of His creation.
(Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Jami al-bayan fi ta'wil al-Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 3:180, Source)

 

 

So we see that God is not using the word inheritance in the sense that we use it. (i.e. receiving something that is not ours from someone who has died). God is only using the word in order to make us understand that once everything perishes (everything being made dead) and He is the only one who will live, everything will remain for Him and go back to Him, for there is no one else alive to take it.

 

So God is basically emphasizing on the fact that He is eternal and does not die. He is not using the word literally in the sense that Shamoun thinks He is.

 

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_s_article__allah_as_the_inheritor_of_creation_

 

 

We therefore implore that Shamoun grows up and stop trying to play silly games with myself and our readers.

 

So in conclusion Shamoun has failed to refute me, on top of this he has brought up Quranic verses which are nothing like what I said concerning what the Bible says about Jesus. So a complete F I'm afraid.

 

And Allah Knows Best!

 

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Addendum

 

Shamoun has come out with a response to the above:

 

http://answeringislam.net/Responses/Osama/zaatari_heir.htm

 

Let us see if he refuted anything, he writes:

 

As if he couldn't make it any worse for himself and prove just how desperate he is, Zaatari claims that there is a difference between Jesus and Allah inheriting since the Quran says that the Islamic deity will receive an inheritance after the death of his creatures, when the earth will end! Zaatari takes this to mean that the Quran is simply denoting the fact that everything returns to Allah.

 

RESPONSE

 

And after all of that you still fail to see the difference with Jesus being the heir as they are two completely difference contexts? Well a blind man will stay blind.

 

The missionary continues:

 

This is where Zaatari exposes his dishonesty, demonstrating that he will not hesitate to lie in order to try and save face or win an argument. Notice what his original argument was:

 

"Folks, God is the owner of everything; he doesn't inherit it he already owns it. Logically if Jesus was God he would have already owned since the beginning of the days. But as Hebrews says Jesus was the heir. A heir is not an owner, a heir is someone who inherits something. Therefore, Jesus is not God because God doesn't inherit his own creation. He already owns it from the start since he created it! How can I inherit something that I created? I own it, I don't inherit it, I made it so its mine; not for someone else to give to me. So this conclusively proves that Jesus is not God because he is heir; he's not the owner because only God is the owner! So quite frankly I don't know why Christians bring this verse up to prove that Jesus is God, because it proves that he is not God because he inherits everything; he doesn't own it! Thank you. And I repeat - a heir is someone who inherits something, he doesn't own it. God owns everything since he made it."

 

Notice what Zaatari did not say. He did not say that God could still be God if what he inherits comes from individuals who die or when the earth perishes. No, Zaatari expressly and emphatically stated, in fact repeated, that God cannot be God if he inherits anything since he already owns everything, period. And since the Quran plainly says that Allah is receiving an inheritance, not from God, but from creatures, this means that he cannot be god since Zaatari says that God by definition already owns everything and does not need to inherit.

 

RESPONSE

 

This is where Shamoun exposes his lack of understanding, lack of understanding in something called CONTEXT.

 

When one reads the context of Jesus inheriting, it is completely different to that of Allah, they are not EVEN THE SAME at all!

 

Allah inherits the heavens, the earth etc AFTER it all comes to end, which in other words is another way of saying we all return to him, and that he is eternal! When Jesus is called the Heir, its not after we all die, and everything is returning to him, rather God is GIVING Jesus the possessions, Jesus doesn't own them!

 

Shamoun quotes me and didn't read properly, because I said that:

 

So this conclusively proves that Jesus is not God because he is heir; he's not the owner because only God is the owner! So quite frankly I don't know why Christians bring this verse up to prove that Jesus is God, because it proves that he is not God because he inherits everything; he doesn't own it!

 

Did Shamoun miss this part? I said that God is the owner, meaning that God is GIVING Jesus everything, I even made this clear in the video.

 

Hence it is completely different to what the Quran says, again, there is something called context, Shamoun will never understand this.

 

Zaatari, at this point, is doing the very thing he accused Christians of doing, namely, play games with his readers by twisting the meaning of the words inherit and heir, interpreting the Quran in a manner which makes absolutely no sense. We normally call someone who does the very thing he condemns in others a hypocrite and liar.

 

RESPONSE

 

I am not twisting or changing anything, you fail to realize the context of the statements that I have shown. Jesus being called the heir is in WHAT CONTEXT? The context is God giving him possessions, hence Jesus is not God as he owns nothing, he is given it. Which disproves the Trinity as well showing there is no co-equality as Jesus owns nothing.

 

Allah is called the heir in what CONTEXT? After we all DIE, when the END comes, which is another way of saying we all return to him, and he is eternal. The Quran doesn't say someone else gives Allah the heavens and the earth!

 

Hence do you all see the difference? The context completely crushes Shamoun.

 

Yet no amount of squirming or obfuscation will change the fact that the Islamic deity inherits and therefore cannot be god. Zaatari needs to face the music and admit that he got caught for using an argument against the Deity of Christ that has now come back to haunt him.

 

RESPONSE

 

This is why my arguments are still up on this site? Yes! The arguments on Jesus being the heir of haunted me so bad I still leave them on my site and argue this evidence!

 

http://muslim-responses.com/Context_of_Hebrews/Context_of_Hebrews_

 

I will continue to use this argument, because it is one of the most solid arguments that Jesus is not God, as he is a heir, a heir who has to get the possessions of the earth and heavens, he doesn't own it. Shamoun will argue and say Allah is a heir! Yet as everyone can see, the context and meanings are so radically different they cannot even be compared.

 

So all in all, nothing has been refuted, Jesus remains a false god STILL!

 

And Allah Knows Best!