Allah is not God?
Sami Zaatari
Missionary Sam Shamoun has come out with an article trying to use one of my arguments against myself, and particularly against Allah, in essence he is trying to prove that Allah is not God by my logic.
Shamoun doesn't seem too happy with an article I wrote which yet again proved that his fake man God (whatever that means) Jesus, is not God at all, as by the words of Jesus himself. The article can be found here:
http://muslim-responses.com/God_is_not_Jesus/God_is_not_Jesus_
So let us see if my arguments can actually be used against myself, or if Shamoun, as usual, is going on a red herring that doesn't actually address the problem he faces.
The missionary writes:
According to Jesus the only true God is the Father who glorifies his Son, i.e. Jesus Christ. However, according to Muhammad Allah is not Jesus' father and is, in fact, not a father to anyone.
RESPONSE
Indeed, Shamoun writes, and proves my arguments! Ladies and gentlemen, the original article I wrote, was simply to show that Jesus identified the ONLY TRUE GOD as the Father, now since the ONLY God is the Father, that means that Jesus is NOT God, as John 17:3 reads:
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:1-3)
So in the above passage we have clear proof that Jesus is not God, as the ONLY true God is the Father, and only is only, as the Greek lexicon also defines the word as follows:
Alone (without a companion), forsaken, destitute of help, alone, only, merely (Source)
So that is my entire point, my entire argument, and Shamoun agrees! Yet Shamoun brings up a red herring that is not even relevant to the topic! Shamoun goes on a red herring talking about how according to Islam, Allah is not the Father of Jesus, and that Allah has no Son, therefore this means that Allah is not the God of John 17:3 or the God of Jesus.
This argument is 100% irrelevant and has nothing to do with my article, and in no shape or form helps Shamoun out, even after this red herring, the only True God is the Father, thereby Jesus is STILL NOT GOD!!!
Furthermore, I am (ego eimi, I guess I am God too!) a Muslim, I am not obliged to believe everything the Bible says, rather Shamoun has to. So let us say that the Bible identifies God as being a Father, well I don't have to believe that, as the Bible is not my highest source of authority! So again, Shamoun has absolutely nothing; all he has is a Trinitarian belief that just got debunked by his own supposed inspired scripture.
Shamoun continues to get desperate when he writes:
There is simply no way around this since Zaatari affirms that these are the actual words of the Lord Jesus, e.g., "We read from Jesus himself," and "Jesus cannot make himself any clearer." Zaatari cannot then turn around and attack the veracity of these very same Biblical verses which he himself used to prove his position.
RESPONSE
Oh yes I can, when I say that "we read from Jesus himself" and "Jesus cannot make himself any clearer" I am simply going with the flow to satisfy and please Trinitarians, that even if we are to take these as the actual words of Jesus, then it proves that he is not God. According to Shamoun, and other Trinitarians, the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John are his actual words, authentic history. Hence I am being kind, and as I said, I am going with the flow, and I am granting them that to show that even if we do take his words, then his words prove that he is not God.
But for myself, as a Muslim, then no, these do not neccessasarily have to be the actual and authentic words of Jesus, I am in no way obligated to believe that they are. In fact textual critics of the Bible, Christians included, admit that a lot of what is attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John, is not authentic at all.
Now if I were to approach the Gospel of John as being all lies, inauthentic, untrustworthy, and not the words of Jesus at all, then where would be the fun in that, where would the debate be?
You see unfortunately for Shamoun and his fellow Trinitarians, I don't need to go there, that's not to say that I wont use those arguments at times, because I will, but rather what I do is play their game, I approach their Gospel and deal with the texts and passages rather than just throw them off, and I show how the texts affirm that Jesus is not God, and that the Trinity is false.
Shamoun even knows this is my style, and so do many of his fellow Christian colleagues, heck even my own colleagues know this is how I approach things, and heck, so do my readers, and viewers! And just because I use this approach in no shape or form means I actually believe what's being said in the Gospels are 100% true, or actual authentic history! Shamoun knows this, but he wastes my time and forces me to give this long explanation, and notice after all this, my argument still remains, that according to the Bible, Jesus claims that the ONLY God is the Father, hence according to the Bible Jesus is not God!
Shamoun goes on to write:
Now if we were to add the witness of 1 John 2:22-23 which says,
"Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist?he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23
Then Muhammad's god is clearly the spirit of antichrist which makes Muhammad an antichrist! This simply further proves that Zaatari's god is not the only true God that Jesus spoke of and who is revealed in the Holy Bible.
RESPONSE
Indeed, Shamoun tried to pull a fast one, notice what the verse actually says:
"Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist?he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23
That is the part that Shamoun should have highlighted, according to the above text, the anti-Christ is the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah, and lo and behold, the Quran affirms that Jesus is the Messiah:
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YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
Furthermore, in 1 John 2:22-23 the passages state:
Such a man is the antichrist?he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also
The verse in no way works against Muslims, because according to the Bible, the Father is God, yet we Muslims don't deny God, what we do deny is the title of Father being given to God. Similarly, we don't deny the Son, the Son is Jesus, and Muslims in no way deny Jesus, we believe in him and affirm his truth.
Note the above text does not say that the anti-Christ is the one who denies that God is the Father, and Jesus is the Son of God! Shamoun since he is brainwashed, thinks the text says that, yet it clearly doesn't. All the text says is the anti-Christ is the one who denies the Father, and the Son, we Muslims don't deny neither, we just don't give them those titles, but we affirm THE ACTUAL PERSONS.
Hence Shamoun has just proven that Islam is the truth, because Islam affirms Jesus as the Christ, Islam affirms the person God, and affirms his Servant Jesus! Good job Sam!
Shamoun ends his article by writing:
With that said we want to end by again thanking Zaatari for helping us prove that the God that Jesus preached is not the same god worshiped by Muslims.
RESPONSE
No, I have to thank you Sam, because you have helped us prove that not only is the Trinity false according to the Bible, but that Islam is true as well, what do they call that? Taking two birds down with one stone?
And Allah the Only True God of Jesus Knows Best!
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Appendix
Shamoun has come out with a very weak (and long) rebuttal to my original article on this subject, specifically John 17:3, and how Jesus calls the Father the only God. Shamoun in his weak rebuttal hardly even attempts to deal with the specific verse in hand, instead he wastes everyone's time by bringing up dozens of other verses that supposedly prove that Jesus is God. This is typical of Shamoun, he does not reply to the actual material at hand, but rather goes on to a whole load of different issues. What makes this interesting is that Shamoun doesn't realize that even with all the texts he brings up, they are all refuted by John 17:3 as this verse proves that Jesus is not God!
The only attempt Shamoun made of addressing John 17:3 was this weak pathetic reply:
Zaatari is correct that only means only. However, he is mistaken into thinking that this excludes Jesus from being God as well.
RESPONSE
So Shamoun affirms my argument! Only means only, and since Jesus calls the Father the ONLY God, and only means only, that means the only God is the Father and not Jesus! Shamoun agrees, but he then goes on to pathetically add that this doesn't have to exclude Jesus! This is what you call empty meaningless talk.
Shamoun goes on to add:
Moreover, Zaatari is forced to interpret texts such as John 17:3 in light of what he perceives to be part and parcel of the Islamic faith, namely, unitarianism.
RESPONSE
You really have to chuckle at the above, I am the one that is forced to interpret John 17:3 in the way I have, even though John 17:3 clearly says that the Father is the ONLY God, and only means only, and Shamoun even earlier agreed with me! I am actually not interpreting much, I am saying what the text is saying, and the text is saying that the only God is the Father, therefore Jesus is not God, simple!
It is not me who is forced to interpret John 17:3, rather it is Shamoun who is forced to interpret John 17:3 to his way thanks to his brainwashed belief in the Trinity, it is the Trinity that forces Shamoun to believe that although the ONLY GOD is the Father, it still doesn't exclude Jesus from being God as well!
No matter how clear a verse is, Trinitarians like Shamoun will never cease to twist and abuse the text to fit their Trinity, after all, these are the very same Christians who will even twist the Shema of Judaism to infer that a Trinity is involved! When the Israelites state that there is only ONE God Trinitarians like Shamoun say oh yeah one doesn't mean one as in one literally, but a compound one! So again, no matter how clear a text is, Trinitarians will always come up with one silly response, heck let's even repaste what Shamoun said:
Zaatari is correct that only means only. However, he is mistaken into thinking that this excludes Jesus from being God as well.
What more can you add to such delusion?
So who is forced to interpret what Mr. Shamoun? Trinitarians are the last people to ever accuse others of forcing interpretations into the Bible; as everyone knows the Trinitarians are the number one at playing this game.
For those interested in reading Shamoun's weak attempt of a rebuttal, and great display of a Trinitarian brainwashed writer, then please feel free to read his article on the following link:
http://answeringislam.net/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zaatari/jesus_only_true_god.html
Come to the real truth of monotheism Shamoun, stop deluding yourself with this pagan Trinity, a dogma invented by Church councils centuries after Christ.
