Is Jesus Equal with God?

 

Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

A passage that Christians like to use to prove that Jesus is equal with God the Father is John 5 verse 23 which reads:

 

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father

So the Christian claims that this verse proves that Jesus is God, since we must honour him as the Father, which proves they are equal.

 

However so the Trinitarian has miss-translated the verse again! The Greek word for "even as" is Kathos in Greek, and the word Kathos in Greek does not mean identical or exact. Hence a more appropriate translation of John 8:23 is that we must honour Jesus in a similar proportion to the Father, not in the exact way.

 

Missionary Sam Shamoun has a problem with this explanation of mine, and he writes:

 

Muslim amateur apologist and neophyte Sami Zaatari thinks he has come up with an answer to refute the orthodox interpretation of John 5:23. In recent debates that he has had concerning the Deity of the Lord Jesus this amateur tries to argue that the Greek word "just as" in John 5:23, kathos, can mean that Jesus was either telling people to honor him exactly like the Father or in a similar proportion to the honor that the Father receives. He then appeals to the Lord's Prayer (cf. Matthew 6:9-13) to show that Jesus told people to pray to the Father which somehow proves that Christ wasn't saying to give him exactly the same honor.

 

RESPONSE

 

Notice Shamoun does not refute my claim that in Matthew chapter 6 verses 9-13 Jesus teaches the people to pray to God, not to him. Here is Matthew 6:9-13:

 

9"This, then, is how you should pray:
   " 'Our Father in heaven,
   hallowed be your name,
 10your kingdom come,
   your will be done
      on earth as it is in heaven.
 11Give us today our daily bread.
 12Forgive us our debts,
      as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation,
   but deliver us from the evil one

 

So Jesus taught the people to pray to the Father, not to himself. This would have been the perfect opportunity for Jesus to tell the masses to pray to him, yet he did no such thing.

 

Therefore this proves we cant honor Jesus exactly as the Father since Jesus didn't teach us to pray to him.

 

Shamoun claims that Jesus taught the people to pray to him:

 

Furthermore, the Lord Jesus himself told his followers that they could pray to him directly, as well as praying to the Father in his name:

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask ME for anything in my name, and I will do it." John 14:12-14

RESPONSE

This verse does not show Jesus asking the people to pray to him. Jesus simply tells his followers that they may ask him for something, and that he will do it, this does not mean prayer.

First of all let us quote the passage again:

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.  13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

This is the point that Shamoun conveniently left out. Jesus will be going to the Father; hence Jesus tells his followers if they ask for something from him, he will do it. The only reason he will do it is because he is in the presence of the Father, and therefore he will ask the Father and the Father will grant his request.

 

Jesus would always pray to the Father before he performed a miracle, and he would always thank the Father for giving him the miracles, it is no different in this case. Jesus will be in the presence of the Father, and when someone asks Jesus for something, Jesus will ask the Father to grant the request and therefore the Father will do it.

 

This is exactly how the disciples even believed it because we even read that Jesus is the MEDIATOR between God and man:

 

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

As you can see Jesus is the mediator between man and God, he is the middle-man, hence you can ask Jesus for something, and since he is the mediator he will then ask the Father and the Father will grant the request.

 

Off course Shamoun wants to ignore all of this.

 

So therefore Shamoun has failed yet again, he knows we cannot honor Jesus in the EXACT way of the Father.

 

And Allah Knows Best!

 

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